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so in this case, the egg came first
the unimpregnated planet(egg) was here first and then the chicken came from that
however if you go a few orders of complexity and magnitude higher the eggs were produced in a huge godlike chicken, inside the womb of the planet producer
maybe the planet producer was both a chicken and a rooster, i dont know, but a star blowing up is the rooster ejaculating
***** Shirly the rooster came first****
Don't call me Shirly, I'm a cocka doodle dandy!
Cocka doooooooooodle doooooooooooo !!!!!!
A hen is a female chicken. That's like saying that humans don't give birth, women do.
so in this case, the egg came first
the unimpregnated planet(egg) was here first and then the chicken came from that
however if you go a few orders of complexity and magnitude higher the eggs were produced in a huge godlike chicken, inside the womb of the planet producer
maybe the planet producer was both a chicken and a rooster, i dont know, but a star blowing up is the rooster ejaculating
***** Shirly the rooster came first****
Don't call me Shirly, I'm a cocka doodle dandy!
Cocka doooooooooodle doooooooooooo !!!!!!
If we are talking about actual chickens and eggs (not metaphorical ones) then the egg came first. The egg was laid by a bird which was very similar to a chicken, but was one mutation away. The new chick would posses the mutation, and therefore would be the first chicken, and its egg the first (chicken) egg.
After reading the original debate I realize blackkodiak already said something similar to my above statement, but he said it first and so deserves credit.
"The Theory of Evolution says that species change over time in the process of evolution. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg.[7][8] In this light, both the egg and the chicken evolved simultaneously from birds who weren't chickens and didn't lay chicken eggs but gradually became more and more like chickens over time.
However, a mutation in one individual is not normally considered a new species. A speciation event involves the separation of one population from its parent population, so that interbreeding ceases; this is the process whereby domesticated animals are genetically separated from their wild forebears. The whole separated group can then be recognized as a new species.
The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.[9] Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the chicken-egg came before the chicken."
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You should check out what theologians say about this matter, it's worth laughing about.
However, a mutation in one individual is not normally considered a new species. A speciation event involves the separation of one population from its parent population, so that interbreeding ceases; this is the process whereby domesticated animals are genetically separated from their wild forebears. The whole separated group can then be recognized as a new species.
The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.[9] Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the chicken-egg came before the chicken."
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You should check out what theologians say about this matter, it's worth laughing about.
A hen is a female chicken. That's like saying that humans don't give birth, women do.
i say egg, because the chicken has been linked to dinosaurs and cross breeding between species has happened before, and the egg could have come from a mutation even and the chicken was then developed and grew, leading to what we have today...just a theory....damned big bang...stupidest theory ever, everything ever was not created in an instant.
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Finally, you solved the problem. I get it. However, what I gather from that segment, the egg therefore came first. The first actual chicken as it is today was born from a chicken egg that came from a non-chicken. Basically. Therefore, the egg came first.
Chicken don't lay eggs, hens do
Shirly the rooster came first
if not the chicken would lay an egg and nothing would come of it
if the egg came first, it would have just layed there and rotted because the rooster hadnt injected life into it
or maybe the t-rex came first and slowly evolved into the chicken
but before that what was it? star dust(rooster sperm) landed on earth(chickens egg) and impregnated the planet with life, so theres always a rooster first impregnating the lifeless female, so the rooster star had sex with space and out went his sperm into the vast expanses into space seeking its egg to impregnate(inside the chickens whowho otherwise known as earth) hey wordsmiths u have a job to do with this mess
if not the chicken would lay an egg and nothing would come of it
if the egg came first, it would have just layed there and rotted because the rooster hadnt injected life into it
or maybe the t-rex came first and slowly evolved into the chicken
but before that what was it? star dust(rooster sperm) landed on earth(chickens egg) and impregnated the planet with life, so theres always a rooster first impregnating the lifeless female, so the rooster star had sex with space and out went his sperm into the vast expanses into space seeking its egg to impregnate(inside the chickens whowho otherwise known as earth) hey wordsmiths u have a job to do with this mess
Finally, you solved the problem. I get it. However, what I gather from that segment, the egg therefore came first. The first actual chicken as it is today was born from a chicken egg that came from a non-chicken. Basically. Therefore, the egg came first.
I say the chicken. The Bible influences my view on this; either the chicken was created or the egg was created. But, if it was the egg, it could not have survived without the mother there to give it the proper heat, etc. Of course God could have done that, but why not just make an adult chicken (and rooster of course) that are capable of laying eggs immediately? God did make humans, at least, already adults, which indicates the other animals would have been as well.
But to go on with your mutation scenario, that would give you one chicken. Unfortunately, a chicken needs another chicken to make a fertilised egg. Sure, because the difference was so small between it and the other species, it could no doubt mate with the original species, but as with most mutations, it's highly likely then the the original, non-mutated gene would mask the mutation, and very soon you would find that they had gone right back to being the way they were before. Of course, two 'chickens' with masked mutations might produce an offspring that was a chicken again, and so the cycle goes on. But even so, one mutation doesn't make a chicken a chicken. There are no species that have only one gene difference between them and another species. There would have to be a lot more than one mutation, and that of course makes it automatically harder to get the first one, and then again to get another one through offspring. If you don't know genetics, this probably doesn't make much sense, but I hope some of you understand.
But to go on with your mutation scenario, that would give you one chicken. Unfortunately, a chicken needs another chicken to make a fertilised egg. Sure, because the difference was so small between it and the other species, it could no doubt mate with the original species, but as with most mutations, it's highly likely then the the original, non-mutated gene would mask the mutation, and very soon you would find that they had gone right back to being the way they were before. Of course, two 'chickens' with masked mutations might produce an offspring that was a chicken again, and so the cycle goes on. But even so, one mutation doesn't make a chicken a chicken. There are no species that have only one gene difference between them and another species. There would have to be a lot more than one mutation, and that of course makes it automatically harder to get the first one, and then again to get another one through offspring. If you don't know genetics, this probably doesn't make much sense, but I hope some of you understand.




